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Twitter Fight After the Kentucky at Auburn Game Between Matt Jones and Kyle Tucker

This morning, I checked my Twitter feed, as usual, to see what the chatter was all about. I have a list of particular people I pay special attention to for news without all the extra chatter of the many friends and acquaintances I follow. These are people like newspaper reporters, ESPN guys, the Rivals site, the Scout site, KSR and the like.

This morning, I open up my feed and see a list of posts from Kyle Tucker, the recent hire by the Louisville Courier-Journal to replace the departed Bret Dawson, who covered the UK sports beat, apparently blasting Kentucky Sports Radio's Matt Jones for a tweet he posted shortly before. Follow me past the jump to see the sequence.

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I thought it was a little bit unusual to see a sequence like that without any commentary from Jones - Matt is not exactly known for being a shrinking violet when he is challenged like that. A closer look at my Twitter client reveals a conversation between the two of them which no longer appears in the Twitter timeline of Jones, which suggests those tweets have since been deleted. Here is the entire conversation, in reverse order (i.e. the tweet that started it all is on the bottom):

KySportsRadio: @KyleTucker_CJ I wrote bad things about him as an uniformed fan. Same as you believe I am

KyleTucker_CJ: @KySportsRadio Parting thought: What was it you wrote about Calipari before he came to UK? But it's me who's somehow treating him unfairly?

KySportsRadio: @KyleTucker_CJ haha I never had you pegged for an internet tough guy Kyle. I really didnt

KySportsRadio: @KyleTucker_CJ and my comments on your hair are always said with envy. I would kill to be able to grow long hair and it not be awful

KyleTucker_CJ: @KySportsRadio You are a child. I'm tired of it. Do your own thing. Cover the team. And shut your mouth about me.

KySportsRadio: @KyleTucker_CJ Yeah I will take the role of hall monitor for the media...u guys do it for others and HATE when it is done to you.

KyleTucker_CJ: @KySportsRadio Which makes your chronicling my hair style or critiquing how every real reporter asks a question what exactly, hall monitor?

KySportsRadio: @KyleTucker_CJ I was just noting the glee with which u and Jerry seemed to dispute his comments. Very hall monitor-esque

KyleTucker_CJ: @KySportsRadio Your neverending need to tear down others and paint yourself as hero for UK fans is quite telling.

KyleTucker_CJ: @KySportsRadio Or I was just having some fun with one of Cal's favorite lines. Not trying to "poke holes" in anything.

KySportsRadio: Glad Calipari sent out the tweet...the UK hall monitors Tipton and Kyle Tucker take so much glee in poking any holes in anything Cal/UK does

First of all, I have no idea of the back story, if there is one, between these two guys. Jones and Tucker are no doubt acquainted from covering Kentucky games, and whether this was Jones just popping off for a dimly-perceived slight to excite his followers (which many of us bloggers do, from time to time, including me), or if there is genuine bad blood between these guys, I have no idea. It does seem, though, that Tucker made an incredibly benign comment in which I was unable detect any anti-Calipari intent.

I'm not really sure why Matt felt the need to delete his half of the conversation, if that is in fact what happened. It could be something else, I suppose -- the Internet is a weird place, and strange things happen all the time.

But whatever the case, to my mind, Tucker said or implied nothing at all untoward about Calipari, and in my view from what I am able to recreate from admittedly strange and possibly incomplete evidence, Jones started a fight that he had no business starting. I carefully read Tucker's articles on the Courier-Journal, and I have never seen anything but a very professional young reporter doing his job, and doing it well. In my view, he is significantly more active than Dawson was on the UK beat when he was at the CJ, and Tucker has been nothing but fair to Calipari in his public utterances, insofar as I am aware.

On the other hand, who knows what Kyle really thinks of Coach Cal? Not me. But as a fellow Hilltopper and he gets a bit of slack from me given what I have seen from him, and being from Clarksville doesn't hurt -- that was my favorite Tennessee town in college because it was just across the border, and the drinking age in the Volunteer state in those days was 18 vs. 21 in Kentucky. We had a lot of good times down there at a place called the Water Company, I believe, which was a big bar with all kinds of interesting features. We also frequently feasted in a Mexican restaurant known as El Palacio, which was just awesome. But I digress.

So what was that all about? I wish I knew.

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"I wish I knew"

I don’t.

Looks like tweets from twits.
Twitter

Why do two supposedly grown men want to have their schoolyard fight broadcast to the entire world (and then archived for eternity) and more importantly, why do so many people want to read it?

This is a prime example of why I find Twitter completely and utter pointless, and will dance down the street the day people finally figure that out.

The answer to your question,

hits, baby, hits.

Absolutely Correct!

+1

Don't Blame The Messenger (Twitter)

As an individual stock/option/bond trader I find Twitter to be indispensable — truly Wall Street 2.0.

You should follow me

I’m entertaining

2 follow requests on 1 thread!??!

Shameless, btcoop!

haha
I was on Twitter briefly

under the name PADeerLover. I’m from Pennsylvania.

Twitter is where you get all the breaking news
Buried amongst endless bullshit.

Unless they create some kind of intensive filter, I’ll stick to KSR, ASoB, ProFootballTalk & CollegeFootballTalk.

And Women’s Monthly.

Agree. It needs a intensive filter.
You have to self-filter it

Depending on who you follow.

I do self-filter. Haven't deleted you, yet. ;-)

Who knows what would happen if I checked it more than once a month though.

Do you follow me?

If not, you should (that’s now 3 mrmondaynite)

I have for months coop.
Since your first shameless twitter act! :-)
Am I following you?

/I’m clueless

Nope. :-)

My tweets are not follow worthy.

What is your twitter name

I’ll rectify the non-following issue.

But I never tweet. Two or three times in 3 years!

If I post it, it will result in my having to go block people I don’t know. Like the recent ones I had to block that are total unknown spam accounts of those looking for a good time and all kinds of other things. ;-)

You can send me a DM!
Only TO my followers. which doesn't include you as of yet.

I will send you one. Then delete it. You must be after more numbers. :-D

I love twitter

You should follow me!

was that the bar with the sliding board ?

I vaguely remember havin a fun nite there once lol

Tipton

The whole argument started with a Jerry Tipton tweet that Kyle chimed in on.

Missing the point...

A lot of you seem to have a genuine dislike for Matt Jones that I simply don’t understand. He’s a FAN…not a professional journalist. Even when working for CBS, he said repeatedly that he was not a professional journalist and had no desire to become one.

The Twitter info posted here is incomplete Glenn. According to Jones, it all began when Tipton sent out a tweet a few minutes before game time that basically claiming that the game was no where close to being sold out. Jones says Tucker followed that up with a comment to the effect that apparently UK is not everyone’s Super Bowl…that sometimes they are the Compass Bowl.

Regardless of which side of this debate you come down on, Tucker’s tweet is snarky at best. If you feel like you have to make a comment like that, you should have the stones take the hits that will follow. As it turns out, we are the closest thing Auburn basketball has to a Super Bowl because the game was, in fact, sold out.

The problem here is the local media and how they deal with the fact that fans can now talk back. Until the internet came along, journalists had every right to believe they were gods. Their work stood unchallenged because the people didn’t have a voice. If some Random Joe was offended enough by their work to write a letter to the editor, they could laugh it off as a lone nut. They are taught that their responsiblity is to tell people what is important. So what always became important is what they chose to write. The problem is that in today’s world the gods are challenged because anyone with a smartphone and a few minutes to kill can explain in depth why they are wrong.

As is often the case these days, the true feelings a lot of journalists seem to come out through social media. What they can’t say outright in a column they can still convey through Twitter. Mr. Tucker exposes his own feelings for Cal by basically telling Jones “Hey, before he came to Kentucky you agreed with me that he was a douchebag”.

Matt Jones is a lot of things and not all of them are good. But he gives a voice to common fans who agree with much (not all but much) of what he says. Journalists should be held accountable for the comments they make and Tucker’s Compass Bowl comment was ridiculous. His problem is that after it was proven ridiculous, he should have kept him mouth shut and taken his medicine.

Thanks for the comment.

In my view, Tipton’s tweet was irrelevant. I know he sent it, but it was only a peripheral thing, and I wouldn’t have even remarked on it if he had made the comment to Tipton and not Tucker — Tipton does have curmudgeonly issues that Matt has rightly pointed out more than once, and so have I.

We will agree to disagree about Tucker’s tweet. In my opinion, it was not snarky at all. Not even a little.

True feelings can’t really be discerned through social media, as this incident likely illustrates. Tucker’s comment doesn’t necessarily implicate him, and a lot of us, including me, thought Calipari was a douchebag before we took the trouble to learn otherwise for ourselves. But even if I grant that Tucker actually thinks what you suggest for the sake of argument, there is no evidence it colors his reporting.

Finally, there is the matter of Matt deleting the tweets that he made. I can’t quite figure out why he did that, but if I were a suspicious person (which I actually am not), I can come up with numerous unfavorable (to Matt, anyway) scenarios, and not one that justifies what he did other than an embarrassed reaction, which is understandable.

In any event, I’m not beating on Matt. After reviewing the incident, I think it’s clear Matt wasn’t justified in provoking that fight. You are free to disagree with that, and I’ll even grant the remote possibility that Tucker’s post was intentionally provocative. Even if it was, it certainly didn’t deserve the comment Matt made. He could have simply tweeted or DM’d Tucker and asked him for clarification.

In any case, this is interesting only for the apparent over-reaction by both parties. Tucker should have probably ignored the comment and taken the high ground — he is a trained professional journalist, after all, not a random blogger like me or whatever niche Jones fits into. Not sure why he felt the need to react defensively, but it could just be a lack of maturity on the part of both of them.

For the record, this doesn’t change my opinion of either man. I like them both just fine, always have.

oops .... "thought Calipari was a douchebag" ... Gillispie ..... now ..... there was a douchebag - :)
I don't get the deleting of the tweets

You say it, own it. Don’t delete it. I say stupid things all the time on twitter, but I don’t delete them.

Yes.

If there is any part of this affair that is actually “troubling,” and I’m not sure there is, that’s it.

You say it, you own it. I’m stealing it. :-)

I understand your issue here, and agree. :-)

I don’t remember the tweets that were deleted as being significant to the squabble but deleting them certainly hurts Jones case.

Of course they were.

You can read them above, in my post, in the grey block.

My Twitter client didn’t delete them. :-)

Didn't say it colored...

his “reporting”. My whole point in all of the postings on this thread is a simple one…beat writers need to watch what they say on social media outlets because it becomes a part of their body of work. You can’t make repeated snide remarks about a subject on Twitter and then claim objectivity on the same subject in your straight reporting – it doesn’t pass the smell test. Every beat writer thinks they should be doing features and many are using Twitter and blog posts to display their rapier wits. IMO Mr. Tucker was displaying just such a disposition with his Tweets. He was out of line and I would put this week’s check at risk in betting that he was told something along those lines by his bosses.

BTW, I caught part of the KSR

radio show yesterday and Jones actually asked Ryan Lemond and Tony Vanetti if he was out of line. Predictably, they both said basically the same thing – don’t call out members of our little media family because we are all supposed to be in this together. That’s a bogus argument. No one is above being called down when they step out of line. The fact that this has gone on for decades is the reason we have people like Jerry Tipton. Nonsense like the Patrick Patterson shiny new truck story and the dust-up over Milchael Kidd-Gilchrist earlier this season wouldn’t happen if these guys were held accountable.

Not to mention -- Tipton to Teague

“Where’d you get those shoes?”

Recently when JT asked Ryan Harrow

If he wished his voice were huskier, that really made me shake my head!

Do you really think Tucker stepped out of line ...

… in this instance?

I don’t. Questioning Calipari’s hyperbole is certainly well within the rights, and some would say the responsibility, of the media. Calipari doesn’t mind, trust me.

What gets under Cal's skin...

is not really relevant. Mr. Tucker’s comment on Twitter wasn’t meant for Cal’s consumption anyway. It was meant to mock Cal’s ongoing assertion that playing Kentucky is a big deal.

A quick story that hopefully will bring my overall point into sharper focus and provide some background on my overriding principles concerning journalism: One of my first jobs was as news director of a smalltown radio station. I had been on the job about two months when local pols began coming in to make their election-time ad buys. At that time the station actually had 7 or 8 on-air people and the news staff was three strong, including myself. When copy came out for these ads, they all had the name of my veteran news guy on them – all of these local politicians wanted the trusted voice of the local news to cut their campaign ads. I went to the station’s gm and told him flat out that my news guy was not going to be recording political spots. He nearly fired me on the spot. My point then was that having said trusted voice read copy espousing the merits of a particular candidate would undercut the credibility of the news operation he had entrusted to me. After he thought about it for a while, he decided not to fire me and my news guys never recorded another political spot for the remainder of my tenure.

Whether you are a beat reporter or the trusted voice of news for an entire community, shows of subjectivity are not allowed. They do immediate and lasting damage to your credibility.

Mr. Tucker’s tweet had a mocking tone that was obvious to me and many, many others. In my opinion, he attempted to bolster his position in the Old Boy’s Club of Kentucky Sportswriters and was called out on it. He responded to being called out by upping the ante, which was an ever more ill-advised move.

Mr. Tucker needs to decide whether he wants to wear the Big Boy Pants of a reporter for a legitimate news operation or the Beanie-With-A-Propeller-On-Top of a fansite blogger. Trying to wear the two together results in a fashion nightmare.

Big Boy Pants and Beanie

Now that imagery is hilarious! :)

Do you really think ...

… that Tucker’s mocking of Calipari is bias against him? If so, I think you are being obtuse.

Calipari’s obsessive attempts to sell the idea that Kentucky brings out the best in foes is both unnecessary and an obvious ploy. Let’s be honest here, there is no bias or subjectivity about that. Tucker isn’t required by journalistic standards to ignore reality in order not appear somehow biased against his subject.

The truth of the matter is, many of Calipari’s statements are mock-worthy, and we as fans choose to let that pass because we love the UK team, we love how Calipari represents the program, and we love how hard he works to promote Kentucky basketball.

But the real truth is, if he were the coach of an opposing team making these same statements, like North Carolina or Duke, we’d be making mocking posts laughing at his obvious hyperbole. So with the one hand you would grant Calipari the unfettered right to make transparently hyperbolic statements, and with the other take away Tucker’s right to comment on them as any other unbiased journalist would, and has.

You know, what you need to do is re-examine the standards you purport to hold. While I completely laud your principled actions in the example you gave and praise you for them, what you are demanding is that Tucker cop to the same kind of unethical activity that you so roundly, and rightly in my view, rejected. Why should he remain silent on Calipari’s transparent absurdities when the rest of us are willing to overlook them because of our own partisanship?

Further, why do your principles allow you to give Jones a pass for picking a fight with a guy who is perfectly correct in pointing out Cal’s hyperbole, something even Jones would most likely admit? Perhaps you are objecting only to Tucker’s style, but that’s really more a matter of taste than a bedrock principle of journalism.

Physician, heal thyself.

Fantastic discussion in the comment threads

Recs all around, to both sides of the argument.

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