Speechless.(via Naomi Lir)
There is nowhere in America where the little things matter more than at Kentucky, and sometimes, that's not a good thing.
Consider the Anthony Davis "Wingspan" poster, which was printed as a souvenir for attending the Florida Gators at Kentucky game, as well as part of a UK campaign to get attention for Davis as a possible NCAA Player of the Year candidate. UK has done something similar to this for lots of UK players -- remember the "All he does is win" All-American campaign for Chuck Hayes back when he was a senior?
So it shouldn't be a surprise that some of these posters have wound up for sale on eBay. Selling a poster like this is a potential NCAA violation and should not be done, which is why the UK Athletics Department has issued "cease and desist" orders to the sellers of those posters.
Yes, UK can be gigged for a secondary violation for the selling of the posters -- thats just they way it goes, but hopefully it won't happen and the C&D letters are designed to try to ensure that it won't, although you can never tell for sure with the NCAA. No, Anthony Davis' eligibility, at least as far as my understanding goes, is not put in jeopardy by the illicit sale unless he's involved in some way in the sales, although UK's sterling compliance record lately certainly could be modestly impacted if things go wrong. That can happen if somebody employed at the school, or program boosters, are involved in any way.
Of course, everybody knew that this could become an issue from the start, but that didn't prepare me for the entitlement mentality of some of our fans. Consider this excerpt letter from "David" that John Clay received in his blog post linked above:
Why would UK do this "special favor" to just the 24K fans attending this game. What about the several million of us out here that can’t afford to make the game?
Clay was diplomatic about this, but I don't have to be. I'll tell you what you should do, David. You should get a freaking life, that's what you should do, you risible, juvenile idiot. I have infinitely more respect for those who are scalping the Davis posters than you, and trust me, that's a pretty low bar.
If you can't afford to come to the game, or can't get in, or whatever, that's just too bad. You AREN'T ENTITLED to access to stuff like this, and only in America would people whine about not being able to receive a black and white poster of an 18-year old non-professional player that was given away as a freebie to patrons at a college basketball game.
Do you really love your team, David? Then act like it, and show some respect for those who run the program and promote it. It isn't all about you, and if it is, do us all a favor and become a Louisville fan. If you don't understand why UK shouldn't include your miserable, whiny self in it's plans, go ask your parents, they will explain it to you -- that is, if they haven't already given up on you after this exposition of insular, outrageous selfishness.
Thanks for embarrassing your school, you team, and your fellow fans. It's guys like you that force the rest of us to defend our fandom from the Huns out there who (apparently, with some justification) think you have to check your sanity and I.Q. at the door in order to be allowed into the Big Blue Nation. Thanks so much for giving them more ammunition.
There. I feel better. Go, 'Cats!
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btcoop71 - February 10, 2012
Glenn, I am going to disagree with you here...
“David” makes a good point, but I think you were a bit to harsh just because he wants one. You took it a bit too far, considering he is a fan, and as fans, we covet things like this. If that were not the case, then why are there so many UK fan sites out there to buy so much stuff?
I do agree about people whining all the time about things they can’t have, but I think “David” was just speaking candidly about not being able to get one. I wanted one too, was willing to pay, but was not successful. Does that make me all the things you say about “David”? I certainly cannot afford to go to a game (I live in FL) but that also does not make me a candidate to stop loving this team, nor does it call for other fans to request me to like another team (UoL). Soap box away.
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
The posters
were meant as remembrences for those that attended the game. GET IT?
bigbill992001 - February 10, 2012
It is similar to bobble heads at a baseball game
btcoop71 - February 10, 2012
Of course I "get it". I was just saying that Glenn went over the top singling out one person...
i found the digital picture of AD, and put it on my background of my PC…so i am satisfied…and have my own “rememberence” of the game too :P …
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
I guess
the “solution” would be no more giveways, period, because they can always be resold.
bigbill992001 - February 10, 2012
I did that too.......oops......guess I am next on the NCAA's hit list......
oh wait….they probably had me on there much earlier……lol
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
LOL
ya, ur a BIG target, Greg. j/k ;)
bigbill992001 - February 10, 2012
I am unconvinced.
Only you can answer your question about yourself. My article was about a letter that was posted on Clay’s blog, and I don’t intend to try to arbitrate its application.
Everything I have to say about this is said above. Your mileage may vary. There is such a thing as being too much of a fan.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
My question was rhetorical in nature, but I agree to disagree...
:) on to more important things like VANDY!!
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
Fair enough. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Its the entitlement generation,
and watch out now, because they are everywhere.
Alex Scutchfield - February 10, 2012
Just "one" generation? ...its spanned across several actually :P ...LOL
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
kr
Well, I’m a child of a former generation and we had NO entitlements whatsoever. Getting our buns whomped was our only entitlement. If you know what I mean by “whomped”. Hee
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
When my children were young
my wife and I joined the PTO at their school. At a meeting attended mostly by women who were questioning how to get more fathers involved, I suggested a three on three basketball tournament for the fathers. The children could cheer their dads on. Someone else said that the children should be able to play also so I said have the same thing for them and the fathers could coach. Since it was a tournament concept I mentioned scoring and advancement. At that point the physical education teacher rose in protest about keeping score, saying that the children didn’t participate in win or lose competitions. All of the children were to be winners. Of course I responded with what about when they graduate and aren’t chosen for the job they apply for?
This is a long way of saying that we have generations that expect to get everything anyone else gets without appreciation for the extra effort it takes to get your share of a limited resource. It is not just fans, it is an entire nation.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
That was a great idea...
and i know what you mean about today’s “no winners/losers” comments from schools. I don’t like that either. I am not old, nor young, but I was put into bball at a young age, very competitive. Truth in life, somebody has to work the grill, ya know? J/K
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
Show up. Get a trophy.
Then the real world comes along to bite these kids in their collective (insert expletive here).
UKCat - February 10, 2012
Hate (and that is a strong word) "Show up. Get a trophy."
The hardest job a parent has it to let his/her kid fail. Yes fail. Your job is not to make sure they always succeed but to be there to pick them up when they don’t.
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
And to teach them to pick themselves up
Lewke - February 10, 2012
AMEN!
bigbill992001 - February 10, 2012
UKC
Absolutely. And the reality of the bite HURTS.
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
I said this a few months ago. . .
When our society meets its inevitable decline, I am going to blame the first person who decided every kid should get a trophy.
Alex Scutchfield - February 10, 2012
Some would argue
that we are already in the decline, we just don’t know where the bottom is.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
I would be one of those.
To quote Private Hudson : “We’re on the express elevator to hell!”
jbt36 - February 10, 2012
Going...
… Down!!!
Yeeehaaa!!!!
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
We've been in a steady decline since the early 80's but starting to freefall now
I’m glad it’s 2012 not much longer to go:)
KansasUKCat - February 10, 2012
If we win number 8 this year
and Coach Cal gets some of those 5 stars we are still in the running for, most of the college basketball world will be hoping the 2012 predictions come true.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
You're a 100% right on that one
KansasUKCat - February 10, 2012
Actually, Cat
I trace it back to the 60s “flower child” era and my generation. Ya, I’m THAT old.
bigbill992001 - February 10, 2012
Winning and Losing
And boy how right you are! No LOL here. I’ve watched it all my life. How sad when an educator stands up and remarks that everyone wins. A totally unrealistic view.
There have always been winners and losers. The little boy next door plays baseball every year. He’s 7 years old. He knows about winning and losing.
Thanks man for reminding us all about this.
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
And I'll bet that he and his parents know the score and who's winning, whether it's official or not.
UKCat - February 10, 2012
I had a similar experience
I went to a parent-teacher conference with my wife when my son was in third or fourth grade (he’s mid-twenties now). During the discussion of grading practices, I said, “So no one fails.” The teacher said, “No, we don’t fail anyone.” I said, “Well, they-re going to fail in college and later in various activities in life.” The teacher turned toward my wife and never faced me again throughout the meeting. Even if I asked a question, she answered it to my wife. Needless to say, I never attended another parent-teacher meeting.
Now, this pressure not to fail anyone has creeped into the college classroom. Where will it end?
jdogblue - February 10, 2012
It will end when China
or another country that values academic excellence forecloses on our bankrupt society.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
kywm
Agreed. Man I could get really going on this but I’m not. Let it suffice to say that, that is a distinct possibility.
bigboyblue - February 11, 2012
As if UK has millions of fans' addresses to
mail millions of posters to.
tyler cottrell - February 10, 2012
Apparently I don't know enough details to see why this is a problem.
Are players trying to sell the posterrs? if so, I see that situation as similar to Ohio State players using school memorabilia to get freebies such as tattoos. Are fans trying to sell them? If so, so what? When the items were given to the fans, they became the property of the fans. Period. The fans have the right to do with these items as they see fit. They can frame and hang them, they can roll them up and put them in a drawer, or they can throw them in the fireplace. I assume they are copyrighted, so they can’t reproduce them and sell them, but they have every right to sell the original. I’m not a lawyer, so if I’m wrong, please tell me.
As far as David goes, he shouldn’t whine because the school didn’t search him out so they could give him a poster, but he should have the right to buy one from another fan as long as they agree on the price he can pay for the other fan’s property.
UKCat - February 10, 2012
nail on the head
cat stevie - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Come On, UKCat
You know that’s a far too logical approach for bureaucratic despots at the NCAA — a group that would legislate against gravity if it could.
Wild Weasel - February 10, 2012
Logic is my middle name.
Actually, it’s Louis, but I try to keep that quiet. I just don’t see how the NCAA or UK or any other institution can tell anyone what they can or cannot do with items that legally belong to them.
UKCat - February 10, 2012
Nah, they will just require more athletic players to wear weights to slow them down so all players are equal
ala Vonnegut’s Harrison Bergeron ( http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html )
Lewke - February 10, 2012
L
I don’t know who they are, but you’re right.
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
WW
Or against a totally innocent young potential UK player. Enes Kanter. No, I don’t intend to open an old can of worms. Just agreeing with your input.
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
Please forward this post to the NCAA
BeachBubbaTex - February 10, 2012
I agree as well.
Curious though – would it make anybody nervous if the businesses that give away calendars with the team picture and schedule on them suddenly started charging customers for them?
jbt36 - February 10, 2012
Wow Tru
I know you’re a former Navy guy and I think the proper nautical term that you’d like to apply to the above-mentioned person’s whining is that it “just chaps your ass”, or at least that’s what my Navy friends tell me.
chicagoblues - February 10, 2012
Heh.
Yeah, that’s about right. Over the top fandom has always frustrated me, and entitled over the top fandom was just a bridge to far this morning.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Tru
I like that!
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
Sounds like “David” is starting an occupy BBN. Gotta love these “I’m entitled to everything” people, and of course by love I mean despise.
Ky4x4 - February 10, 2012
I paid for season tickets this year.
It comes to $75 dollars per ticket including the UK fund. I attended the game and got my poster. While some may consider it free, I had to spend money to get it. It is not for sale and I will give it to my son along with my other memorabilia when the time comes. People like David expect to get something for nothing and one has to wonder how they get along in such a competitive environment. Does David also demand victories everytime he watches a UK game and that this seasons’ championship is rightfully ours even before the tournament begins? I wouldn’t be surprised. Advice for David, “Get over it”.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
So, would you think the same of "David" if he wanted or sought to purchase one?
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
Nope.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Other than the whiner...
who did not deserve such a harsh rebuke, IMO, could you please elaborate on this: “Selling a poster like this is a potential NCAA violation and should not be done.”
This seems like the meat of the matter, but I haven’t seen an explanation, not a blow by comment. Maybe it’s common knowledge to most, but it isn’t to me.
Also, is it a “potential” violation or is it definitely a violation that the NCAA can enforce/punish or not?
UKfaninDC - February 10, 2012
yeah,
going off of just the little excerpt provided here I thought the angst directed toward David was a little harsh too. Sure, he sounds like a self important sort with the sentence provided, but I’m not sure that his fandom should be in question. He’s a fan, just a self-seeking one who wants something deemed to be cool.
And while yes, I think David is possibly one who thinks he is entitled, I’m also not sure how this all of sudden became a generational thing. Sort of a broad brush there if you ask me. This is just about David, I sort of thought. I’m assuming that David is young-ish, yes? Well, Anthony Davis is young, MGK is young and they are out there working hard on the court and going to school. Are they too considered in this self-entitlement generation?
BigSkyCat - February 10, 2012
I should also add,
before anyone asks….
Yes, I spank my kids when they are bad and I don’t believe in giving a trophy to everyone. The motto at our house is of course, winning is everything and losing is well, for losers. : )
BigSkyCat - February 10, 2012
See my post above...
Letting your kids fail and being there to pick them up is our job – not making sure they ALWAYS succeed.
I am with you…..
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
right.
and, obviously we don’t phrase it quite as directly and harshly as I wrote it above, just in a way that makes it clear that winning/being the best you can be is the ultimate goal and if you wish to attain that and if that is important to you then you will need to work hard and practice in order to be the best at whatever it is you are interested in.
BigSkyCat - February 10, 2012
BSC
Congrats. You are definetly a mom who has her priorities straight. Kudos.
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
Unfortunately a generation is defined
by the majority rather than those brilliant exceptions. My children know that they will have to work hard and compete to get what they really want.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
kywm
You are definitely wise in your generation. You know what, I believe Cal brought in 4 freshmen this year who were taught exactly that.
bigboyblue - February 11, 2012
As to the rebuke...
… opinions vary. I stand by mine, and as to whether or not he deserved it, that’s irrelevant. My intention was and is to use this as a case study, and that guy may be a super person, but that comment he made to Clay was, in my view, moronic and deserved to be blasted. I don’t expect everyone to agree, and I couldn’t care one iota whether or not they do. I’m not trying to be popular, I’m trying to make a point, and I intended to make it emphatically for a reason. You may think of him as a faceless archetype if you prefer.
With respect to the violation, the school may not sell, or sanction the selling of athlete’s images. If you read what I wrote above, you will see two cases that could be problematic — if any employees of the school are involved, or any boosters. These can be imputed as rules violations to the school, which is why they sent “cease and desist” letters.
I will not address the right to engage in free commerce except to point out that the NCAA, in their infinite wisdom (or lack thereof) has placed free trade of sports memorabilia involving current athletes as off-limits as they can, and failure by a school to forbid such commerce is seen as sanctioning it, and subject to a finding of a violation. As far as I can see, the act of sending out “cease and desist” letters mostly inoculates the school, but dissociation may also be required in certain cases.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Damn, dude...
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or what?
I read the comment by David as sort of dumb and naive, but I guess I don’t go around looking for entitlement problems. Seems like David’s question could be answered in two sentences and everybody move on. But, Glenn, if you feel better for blasting the guy with assumed motivations, then by all means, have at it. It is your blog. Must admit I lost a tiny bit of respect for you on this one. Not that you do, or should, care.
Carry on!
UKfaninDC - February 10, 2012
Glenn worried me too...
if I say the wrong thing, this shows that any fan is not off-limits for public blasting :\ …I guess the tone was too strong for me, albeit Glenn is entitled to express his opinions as he sees fit.
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
The rules for this blog, as I understand them, forbid personal attacks
on individual posters. Glenn would not do that. He might take you to task with a counter argument, and if you measure success of such arguments by winning a concession of position, good luck. This case is using one person as an example of what many are saying out there. It can’t be too personal since none of us know who David really is, he is just a voice in the ether staking out a position that reeks of self perceived entitlement. Think again about what David is really saying. “If I don’t get it, nobody should get it.” That deserves a far more venomous attack than the one delivered by Glenn.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Perhaps.
My response to your “loss of respect” comment would simply be, “Indian giver.” :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Glenn
Believe me I know when a conviction has been violated. I from whence you come. We may not agree completely but I stand beside you and will fight for your right to say it.
bigboyblue - February 10, 2012
Speaking Of NCAA Violations
ESPN’s Dana O’Neil nails this one. If the NCAA accepts UConn’s proposed self-regulation and grants the Huskies a “pardon” for academic deficiencies thus removing NCAA tournament ban then how can anyone believe that the Indianapolis oligarchs aren’t primarily money motivated?
Wild Weasel - February 10, 2012
yeah, that's a potentially gasket blowing outcome
I don’t come down the on the NCAA like a lot of people here do, but if they accept UConn’s weak, lame “punishments” it will be one of the most spineless actions they’ve ever taken.
JLeverenz - February 10, 2012
Been waiting for Glenn's thoughts about this one
Just because he’s usually so articulate and succinct on things like this. We await your analysis, Fearless Leader.
Acdixon - February 10, 2012
Where's Bobby Knight?
He was after the wrong coach with the initials JC for players not going to class.
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
Bobby Knight is where he ought to be...
nowhere.
BlueCollarMan - February 10, 2012
BCM
Yeh. Did you ever notice when he and Brent are calling a game and Musburger mentions UK, Bobby Knighr acts like “the cat got his tongue”.
That poor guy is so full of misery and hate that he just reeks of it, even when he can’t be seen.
bigboyblue - February 11, 2012
I intended to post an article about this.
I think I will later, depending on how fast I get through my todo list today. If not, maybe this weekend.
But you’re right, that was a great article, and your point is well taken.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Oligarchs?
Hmmmmmmmm……gonna have to dig out the ’ol dictionary. :)
bigbill992001 - February 10, 2012
bb992001
Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning “a few”, and ἄρχω (archo), meaning “to rule, to govern, to command”)123 is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, corporate, or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who pass their influence from one generation to the next.
bigboyblue - February 11, 2012
OOOOOOOOOOOOO
he meant the Kennedys. Why didn’t he just say so? :)
bigbill992001 - February 11, 2012
And the Kardashians
KansasUKCat - February 12, 2012
I rec'd
Not because I read any sense of entitlement in David’s email, but because I get a kick out of reading Glenn go nuts like this ;-)
On a more serious note, how in the world does the Athletic Department not know that as soon as these posters are given away they won’t end up on eBay? A 10 year old could foresee this outcome. It seems like this is something that should have been dealt with ahead of time vis-a-vis a ruling from the NCAA as to what happens when fans inevitably put the posters on eBay.
JLeverenz - February 10, 2012
the mistake they made was calling them limited edition
i guess that is just one of the mistakes
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
It was a risky strategy, I agree.
But I suppose they are willing to take the gamble. The C&D’s are probably enough to prevent the NCAA from coming down on them, but you never know.
It’s a risk/reward thing, and I don’t think a major violation is even a remote possibility. So they decided not to play it safe.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
I should also point out ...
… that it provides out of this world publicity and a significant recruiting windfall. You know guys like Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammad love this.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
True
And it’s a fantastic photograph in its own rights too. They did a terrific job with the image.
JLeverenz - February 10, 2012
it is a really neat picture.
I want one!
(kidding, kidding… : ))
BigSkyCat - February 10, 2012
So would I!
I’ll settle for being able to see images though, and the adaption on Luke Winn’s Power Rankings this week is pretty funny too.
JLeverenz - February 10, 2012
So now AD's accomplishments
must be listed using the unibrow scale? Cool. One of the highlighted dunks from the Florida game showed AD’s arms to be five unibrows above the rim at the peak of his jump.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Don't try to buy one.
The NCAA will probably put you and the seller on double secret probation.
UKCat - February 10, 2012
After all of this uproar
I have decided not to sale my poster. However, for a small fee, I will let any takers come and admire it with me over a glass of bourbon. ;-)
kywineman - February 10, 2012
any particular time ? lol
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
Whenever you get the bourbon.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
That's the "spirit"
BlueCollarMan - February 10, 2012
Translation: They can’t do that to our pledges — er, “student-athletes” — only WE can do that to our athletes!
cmadler - February 11, 2012
and hence the NCAA's "concern"
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
I see that
I’ve received a number of give-aways at Clemson games over the years, although none of them involved the images of players (unless you count the cover of the single sheet programs listing player/opponent info). I personally have never even contemplated trying to sell them – I would much rather keep them for myself.
But if I had, I wouldn’t have thought it could be an NCAA violation.
JLeverenz - February 10, 2012
Can the NCAA prove, or do they need to,
that the posters being offered aren’t from fans of other schools who were in attendance at that game. This could open a can of worms for sabotage of programs by motivated anti-fans.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Hmmm...
My buddy in Durham could form some 5th column operation selling Austin Rivers posters on Ebay. Payback for the Game of the Century.
BlueCollarMan - February 10, 2012
There is always UK stuff on Ebay for auction or to buy out right
I seen an old UK baseball jacket a guy wanted way too much for. You can’t stop free enterprise system, the NCAA has to know this.
KansasUKCat - February 10, 2012
It was harsh.
But David was acting like a child. “Why do they get one and not me?” While I wouldn’t treat a child so harshly, I can see how Glenn would have no patience with a UK fans who, we presume, is old enough to have some maturity.
Do you suppose that when Glenn gets mad, he begins to turn green and insect-like? I think he must have hunt-and-pecked this outburst with six legs.
Wheatgerm - February 10, 2012
ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!!
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
Haha!
Hilarious!
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
...to add...
Don’t most of us get that “entitlement” attitude when we cannot watch a game that is not aired in our areas? Don’t we flood ASOB asking for links to watch the game, or asking for updates in the live thread? I’ve seen several people griping that Texas got their own channel and we did not!
That is the same attitude David expressed….just sayin don’t throw stones, because we all do it, including myself.
kentuckyrules - February 10, 2012
I knew this was going to happen when they started that letting women vote nonsense.............
next thing you know people will be complaining that their air isn’t clean or something
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
and that they are
forcing us to wear gray uniforms that don’t even have our school colors on them too!
BigSkyCat - February 10, 2012
LOL!!!!....hadn't even put the two together.......I cannot believe I missed that!!!.....It is probably a conspiracy!!!
I must be slipping……so sad….
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
A+ Rant
And that’s why this is the best UK bball blog on the internet.
Daniel McNally - February 10, 2012
Glenn, this definitely called for a rant, but complaining about David is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
His attitude, which I also consider to be immature and whiny, isn’t the thing you should be focusing on. Who gave the NCAA, or UK for that matter, the authority to override our constitutional right to have and hold property. That is the outrage. To the best of my knowledge, it is legal to buy, sell, give away, receive as gifts, own, keep, lose or destroy posters as long as they don’t contain something that is against the rules of law or society (e.g. child porn).
UKCat - February 10, 2012
Very true.
But it made me feel better. Probably rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic would too.
I guess I’m easy to please. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
That's what she said.
UKCat - February 10, 2012
BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO GLENN!
Bear with me big blue friends as I say a few words from my soapbox in the middle of my sand dune. “DAVID” is probably one of these jokers “occupying Wall Street” because he doesn’t make $40 an hour or bought a house he couldn’t afford. Guess what David, you aren’t getting a poster unless you buy it, just like the people that bought those tickets. That poster wasn’t free buddy, nothing is! So, as I literally defend David’s right to post his self-centered, entitled DRIVEL, I defend Glenn’s right to blast him for acting like a childish idiot! Thanks, I’m done now! SEE YOU GUYS FOR THE VANDY GAME!
KYGRLNNM - February 10, 2012
I love me some Fox News!
Woohoo!!!!!!
UKfaninDC - February 10, 2012
Dude -
KYGRLNNM is serving our country in the middle east. what are you doing for the country in DC?
memphis wildcat - February 10, 2012
You're right!
Nothing happens here. Nope. We have nothing to do with the country whatsoever.
Actually, I probably play a critical role in ensuring KYGRLNNM gets the supplies she needs everyday. So what? What does that have to do with anything?
UKfaninDC - February 10, 2012
well now we know you're not the president !! lol
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
Okay, let's all take a breath and not lose sight of the topic ...
… which is my “male menopause.” :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
I don't care who you are...
that right there is funny!
UKfaninDC - February 10, 2012
You tell 'em girl.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Well, God forbid
that anyone ever does something horrible. Like complain that UK’s games are televised on networks that they don’t get.
I suppose the response would be: Get a life! Go out and purchase a satellite dish, or move to another city where the games are televised. You have no reason to complain. You are worthless scum for even mentioning that you would like to have something available to you that you can’t currently get! Scum of the earth!
Sometimes, it’s the response to fans that is embarrassing.
jeffy - February 10, 2012
yes, BUY a satellite dish...not demand one be given to me
KYGRLNNM - February 10, 2012
Not the same thing.
You have knocked down and kicked the stuffing out of that strawman. Well done. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Hardly
The dude just wants a poster.
I just wanna be able to watch games on TV.
I can’t, for the life of me, see that what he wrote is that reprehensible.
jeffy - February 10, 2012
He can buy a poster when Davis leaves then, I'm sure there will be sellers.
It’s pretty simple. If they gave them to everyone, what would they be worth to anyone? This was something they did as part and parcel of attendance. They don’t print out extra game programs to give to everyone who might want one, do they? No.
If you don’t understand it, I’m not going to explain it to you, you wouldn’t understand that either.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Really
Your snide comments are getting out of control, Glenn. “you wouldn’t understand that either”???
I’ve gone back and read what David wrote. Several times. I’m mystified. It sounds a bit selfish, but no so outlandish as to merit the death shroud that you seem to want to bestow on him.
See, there really is no difference between his whining and my hypothetical fan’s whining about TV coverage. After all, he/she/it should be aware that the games are going to be televised to maximum the interests of UK (money, exposure, etc.). So he/she/it shouldn’t expect to be able to watch any games on TV.
See
-I do understand! :Pjeffy - February 10, 2012
Well, okay, if I must explain at length.
I think the problem is that this isn’t about “maximum dollars,” it’s about somebody wanting something others have with no intent to pay for it.
He freely admits the reason he didn’t get one is because he “couldn’t afford to go to the game.” How is this UK’s problem? Why should he care if others have something he does not because he can’t afford it. What he really means is, it isn’t worth the price of a ticket. Otherwise, he would have paid for a ticket and gone.
Then he goes on to say that even at $50, it isn’t wort it to him, but he wants it anyway.
If you read the whole thing, it’s all about anger directed at people who have more means than him. I chose that particular paragraph because it was the least amount of content that contained the most information (fair use doctrine), but what you have done is carefully divorced it from its context in an attempt to justify your position. My argument isn’t about his lament for not having one, it has to do with his criticism of the University for not giving free stuff to to fans who want it and don’t want to pay the price of admission. I find that ridiculous. If you don’t, that’s fine, I don’t care.
So you see, the two things are only the same because you simply ignored the entirety and focused on the piece I chose to excerpt. Nobody comes on here demanding somebody provide them free access to view a game, they complain about no access at any price, which is a complaint directed at the distribution channels, not the University. And it’s a complaint which, if enough people care and are willing to pay for, can sometimes be addressed — the market can usually provide if the demand is there. But this guy wanted something for less than what it took to be entitled to receive one, and was incensed because he couldn’t get what he wanted at a price he was willing to pay, regardless of its actual worth.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Thanks for this
I had reserved comment because this really did look over the top for someone as level-headed as Glenn usually is, but I did what apparently some others did and just read the quote that was pulled. After this comment, I went back and read the whole thing, and I now believe this goober had it coming to him. The context really is everything, although I understand fair use and why Glenn chose not to use it all. I would encourage folks to go read the whole thing if they haven’t. It all makes more sense to me now.
Acdixon - February 10, 2012
well shoot......I can't afford it either, LOL
How does he know some of those people in the upper levels didn’t save their money for some time in order to enjoy ONE game? This was just a little bonus for buying a ticket; I personally don’t have any issue against those who went to the game and got a poster.
Unfortunately, it seems we are being indoctrinated to believe that those who have a little more money than we do are bad guys…..smh
Bkocats - February 10, 2012
Well, not quite
You have jumped to the erroneous conclusion that I read only the excerpt. Apparently I wasn’t able to make it clear
-I went back and read Clay’s article. Several times.And I really can’t see anything there to get all bent out of shape over. And I don’t think that makes me thick, thank you very much.
jeffy - February 10, 2012
Okay.
So if you still can’t see it, I don’t have the words. I have done all I can.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Damnation man!
Why don’t you go read the freaking Community Guidelines.
I’ve had the “you can’t understand” treatment too many times.
jeffy - February 10, 2012
Good greif, man.
I was talking about my communication ability, not your comprehension.
And I though I was defensive.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Just somebody give me a damn poster ok - then we'll move on
KansasUKCat - February 10, 2012
Hah.
Good luck with that.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Really?
" If they gave them to everyone, what would they be worth to anyone?"
So they only have “value” because of scarcity?
“If you don’t understand it, I’m not going to explain it to you, you wouldn’t understand that either.”
Go back to bed, Glenn. You’re simply being a jerk today. smiley face
UKfaninDC - February 10, 2012
It's not that he wants the poster, he wants it for free because he can't afford the ticket.
I want a poster too, but I wasn’t at the game but I’m not crying about how I deserve one because I’m a Kentucky fan.
KYGRLNNM - February 10, 2012
Sorry Glenn, i was explaining as you posted you wouldnt expain.
KYGRLNNM - February 10, 2012
good to see you !!
hope things are goin well for ya
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
Im peachy thanks!
Heading off to bed, long day tomorrow and rumor has it Ill get to see the game my Sunday morning. Need my zzzzs so I can be bright eyed for the game :) Talk to you soon!
KYGRLNNM - February 10, 2012
I will personally lobby for a second printing
for UK fans who missed the game under the circumstances you are in. There are many here who have your back.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
I want one of those posters
anyone have one they would like to SELL ??…….I got an email Monday I think, showing it, my first thought was that it was goin to be a problem
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
As I said earlier ...
… one of those risk/reward things.
I imagine most UK fans would like to have one, but unlike “David,” most of us also understand that swag given to game attendees represents part of the ticket price. If it were generally available to everyone, it would be worthless.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
but
UK should have known this was goin to happen
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
Sure they knew.
So?
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
so
they should figured out another way to promote AD
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
Not my problem.
My problem was one guy’s response, which I’ve adequately addressed.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Glenn
Don’t tase me dude!
BarryM - February 10, 2012
Okay.
I don’t know how to use one, anyway. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Male Menopause
It’s the only plausible reason for Glenn’s over-the-top response.
Wild Weasel - February 10, 2012
Heh. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
lmaoo....thats it !!!
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
There is an easy solution to this........
just give away posters to anyone who requests on through the media office. Of course you will need to send in postage for mailing………
I think if I were UK I would offer…..good publicity……and it takes away the NCAA having an axe to grind.
Surely they cannot punish UK for people selling them when they could obtain them for free………
Oh wait………………….fail…….
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
and I am offering a reward to anyone who can find me one of $20........they will have to give me the poster for free ofcourse....the $20 is a finder's fee.......lol
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
Okay, if UK wants to do that.
Okay if they don’t.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
If they did, it should be of
a smaller dimension so as not to render the special original gift meaningless.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
I would agree with that 100%
But that’s not my call.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
WHAT!!?
I’ve got to pay postage! NO WAY! The people at the game didn’t have to pay postage. ;-)
hoboat33 - February 10, 2012
The hardest thing about this
was figuring how to protect the poster once you got to your seat. They were loosely rolled and I saw many people fold them up, all of the time thinking “don’t crease that, it is valuable”.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
It's probably only valuable to collectors.
In all honesty, and speaking only for myself, I wouldn’t take one if it were offered to me. I don’t collect Kentucky memorabilia unless you count bottles of alcoholic beverages. :-)
I’d want it to go to somebody who might actually care about such things.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
So you are not going to bid
on my mint condition LP honoring Rupp narrated by Cawood?
kywineman - February 10, 2012
forget him wineman......lol....how much you want for it??
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
How much you got?
kywineman - February 10, 2012
hehehe....now you sound like my kids.....
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
One of my favorite lines from National Lampoon's "Vacation".
kywineman - February 10, 2012
I think I still have vinyl
with Joe B. Hall, Al McGwyre and Happy Chandler singing Elvira. I would listen to it tonight if it hadn’t been sitting in my garage for 25 years and is probably ruined. Oh yeah, I don’t have a turntable either.
UKCat - February 10, 2012
Nope.
Somebody will though, fear not! :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
kywm
True, but like damaged coins or stamps, it will make yours more valuable. LOL
bigboyblue - February 11, 2012
I happen to agree....
With Glenn on this one. What fans don;t want to seem to realize is that we are under such intense scrutiny by the NCAA…..and by other fans. They’re all waiting for there to be some sort of violation, minor or not, to pin on Cal so they can say “we told you so!!”
As much as I love the poster, I thought it was kind of a bad idea for this very reason.
Bkocats - February 10, 2012
As I've said a couple of times above ...
… it’s a risk/reward thing. UK figures that by using C&D letters, they can innoculate themselves, and for the most part, the record suggests that they are right.
Where this could go wrong, though, is if a school employee or booster gets involved, or Davis gets even slightly close to a person who might be involved in the sale of a poster. Then, it could be a problem.
But the risk is not all that great, and it does have great recruiting and PR benefits that arguably outweigh the risks. So it’s kind of like going for it on that par 5 where your approach is over water. If you are 250 yards away, it’s not a good bet. If you’re hitting a 7-iron in, it’s a pretty small risk for a pretty big reward. I’d say UK is probably closer to a 7 iron than a 3-wood on this one.
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Glenn, you need to further clarify your water hazard analogy.
Is that hazard narrow and running vertical to my shot or wide and running horizontal to it? You see, I have this bad slice and….
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Oh.
Well, all righty then. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
Hazard'son the left,
go for it, wineman.
oldcat'69 - February 10, 2012 via mobile
The old three wood it is then. :)
kywineman - February 10, 2012
"Wood?"
oldcat'69 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
You need to re-stock your bag.
oldcat'69 - February 11, 2012 via mobile
Well, it has been a few years
since I indulged in the pleasant misery of golf.
kywineman - February 11, 2012
Last time I checked we all still lived in America.......
That guy has as much right to voice his opinon and his dislike of not being able to get one of those posters as he does to breathe. The same way Glenn has the right to call him a “juvenile idiot”. No matter how much of an insensitive boor he looks like by using this prestigious website to bully and berate this poor individual……lol…..
Can’t we all just get along????
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
Pass the doobie brother I'm with you
KansasUKCat - February 10, 2012
I never inhale......but I am a registered Republican.....does that make me an oxymoron?
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
Not sure about the oxy. :)
kywineman - February 10, 2012
oh, NOW you wanna throw down!!!!!
Greg Alan Edwards - February 10, 2012
:-)))) back at you.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
Well ...
… No. :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
72 hours since a game,
And we’re sniping at each other already. Maybe we ought to have a game every other day to keep peace in the BBN.
oldcat'69 - February 10, 2012 via mobile
yeah lol.....tomorrow nite cant get here soon enough
Bluehound - February 10, 2012
Just hope we are grinning
and not grimacing come Sunday morning.
kywineman - February 10, 2012
We'll be grinning and picking - picking apart the game stats and why we only won by 15
KansasUKCat - February 11, 2012
Peace? No peace.
Oh, wait. The alien in Independence Day used that one.
Hope they don’t sue me for infringement … :-)
Glenn Logan - February 10, 2012
The only image that is burned into my mind from that movie is of Vivica Fox when she strides across the dressing room floor
KansasUKCat - February 11, 2012
kywm
I hear that. Even if I am hard of hearing. Huh! What’s that you say sonny. LOL
bigboyblue - February 11, 2012
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